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Freddy Offenga
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Nov 1 2002, 12:00 am
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:52:41 GMT
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Subject: Re: could somebody please change the address this code is loaded at?
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Mathy,
As a programmer I've looked into the ASPI thing. It sounds very reasonable to have a standard device handler for harddisk interfaces (if I understand it correctly). The only problem I have with it is that there is no good documentation about it. And I can not say the source code is well documented. Maybe I missed something?
Freddy.
"Mathy van Nisselroy" <mathy.van_nissel@post.rwth-aachen.de> wrote in message ...
> Howdy folks
> I guess I'm starting to run into the ASPI manager again which is placed in > memory at $8000-$8800. Could somebody please change the source code (it's > written in ATMAS II code) so that it will look of the highest possible > addresses and load itself there, then drop RAMTOP or whatever it is > called???
> The ASPI code is available at > There's an > ATMAS and an ASCII version. Both look (almost) the same.
> CU Mathy van Nisselroy
> PS if you initials are L.B. please let somebody else this. We need you for > that other project. > -- > --- > My old email address has ceased to exist, please use my new address. > Meine alte Emailadresse gibt es nicht mehr, bitte benutzen Sie meine neue > Adresse. > Mijn oude Emailadress bestaat niet meer, gebruik aub vanaf nu mijn nieuwe > adres. > mathy.van_nissel@post.rwth-aachen.de >
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Mathy van Nisselroy
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Nov 4 2002, 9:50 pm
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From: "Mathy van Nisselroy" <mathy.van_nissel@post.rwth-aachen.de> -
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:50:40 +0100
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Subject: Re: could somebody please change the address this code is loaded at?
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Howdy Freddy
> As a programmer I've looked into the ASPI thing. It sounds very reasonable > to have a standard device handler for harddisk interfaces (if I understand > it correctly). The only problem I have with it is that there is no good > documentation about it. And I can not say the source code is well > documented. Maybe I missed something?
Now that you mention it....yes, there is not much documentation in/on the code itself. Maybe you could contact Matthias at matthias.bel@gmx.net Maybe he responds faster when somebody else asks him some questions about ASPI once in a while too.
BTW you understood correctly (that is, if I understood you correctly :-)) ) ASPI is to SCSI and IDE what RS232 drivers are to RS232 interfases. With modems, you just loaded BobTerm no matter what interface you had and loaded the RS232 drivers from disk or from the interface. ASPI does/should do the same for harddisk interfaces.
CU Mathy van Nisselroy
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Freddy Offenga
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Nov 5 2002, 12:07 am
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From: "Freddy Offenga" <taf.offe@chello.nl> -
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:07:04 GMT
Local: Tues, Nov 5 2002 12:07 am
Subject: Re: could somebody please change the address this code is loaded at?
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Ok, I understand. Please note the mismatch driver/handler. I'm sure you mean 'handler' when you say 'driver'. The handler is the API which makes it possible to have different drivers for a certain type of I/O. E.g. you can have different drivers for the R: device handler.
So, the ASPI handler can be implemented with a SCSI driver for the Black Box. Or there can be another ASPI handler with an IDE driver for MyIDE. :-)
Freddy.
"Mathy van Nisselroy" <mathy.van_nissel@post.rwth-aachen.de> wrote in message ... ....
> BTW you understood correctly (that is, if I understood you correctly > :-)) ) ASPI is to SCSI and IDE what RS232 drivers are to RS232 > interfases. With modems, you just loaded BobTerm no matter what interface > you had and loaded the RS232 drivers from disk or from the interface. ASPI > does/should do the same for harddisk interfaces.
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Mathy van Nisselroy
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Nov 5 2002, 9:29 pm
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From: "Mathy van Nisselroy" <mathy.van_nissel@post.rwth-aachen.de> -
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:29:23 +0100
Local: Tues, Nov 5 2002 9:29 pm
Subject: Re: could somebody please change the address this code is loaded at?
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Howdy Freddy
> So, the ASPI handler can be implemented with a SCSI driver for the Black > Box. Or there can be another ASPI handler with an IDE driver for MyIDE.
:-)
I'll try to remember that in the future. Maybe it's harder for me to keep them apart cause I'm not an assembler programmed.
To: "Mirko Sobe" <atari@12move.de> Re: Let's talk about the MyIDE Interface... By: "Mirko Sobe" <atari@12move.de> to comp.sys.atari.8bit on Tue Oct 29 2002 02:44 pm
> I bought it at the JHV (gtx2all) and I like it. Bad, it want not work with > Turbo-BASIC aslong I have to load the drivers from disk. Now I rediscovered > ATARI-BASIC, witch works best with it (like all 48k software).
You could try FrOst BASIC.... That was the BASIC that was the BASIC Frank O. wrote before he wrote TURBO BASIC. FrOst B.A.S.I.C. doesn't use the RAM space under the OS, as it was designed for the 800/400 series and not the XL/XE series. While it doesn't do as much as TURBO BASIC, it is -- in its own right -- a *VERY* nice BASIC, all by itself. --- Synchronet 3.10j-Linux NewsLink 1.35 * Planet Maca's Opus - Winsted, Ct - 860-738-7176 telnet://pinkrose.dhis.org
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Mirko Sobe
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Nov 1 2002, 5:50 am
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From: "Mirko Sobe" <atari@12move.de> -
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:50:15 +0100
Local: Fri, Nov 1 2002 5:50 am
Subject: Re: Let's talk about the MyIDE Interface...
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I've tried FROST-BASIC, but I didn't work with MyIDE. RUNTIME.COM does also not work... But like I sad, I re-discovered ATARI-BASIC. Last few days, I downloaded many old ATARI-BASIC programs from old magazines from this adress:
Here you can find many programs, witch are 100% compatible with MyIDE.
Mirko
"Winston Smith" <winston.sm@pinkrose.dhis.org.remove-nnn-this> schrieb im Newsbeitrag ...
> To: "Mirko Sobe" <atari@12move.de> > Re: Let's talk about the MyIDE Interface... > By: "Mirko Sobe" <atari@12move.de> to comp.sys.atari.8bit on Tue Oct 29 2002 02:44 pm
> > I bought it at the JHV (gtx2all) and I like it. Bad, it want not work with > > Turbo-BASIC aslong I have to load the drivers from disk. Now I rediscovered > > ATARI-BASIC, witch works best with it (like all 48k software).
> You could try FrOst BASIC.... That was the BASIC that was the BASIC Frank > O. wrote before he wrote TURBO BASIC. FrOst B.A.S.I.C. doesn't use the RAM > space under the OS, as it was designed for the 800/400 series and not the XL/XE > series. While it doesn't do as much as TURBO BASIC, it is -- in its own right > -- a *VERY* nice BASIC, all by itself. > --- Synchronet 3.10j-Linux NewsLink 1.35 > * Planet Maca's Opus - Winsted, Ct - 860-738-7176
telnet://pinkrose.dhis.org
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Andreas Magenheimer
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Nov 5 2002, 4:06 am
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 20:06:02 +0100
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Subject: Re: Let's talk about the MyIDE Interface...
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Hmm, there seem to be several versions of Turbo Basic, that do not use RAM under the OS ROM (Turbo Basic XL does!). One is known as Frost basic, the other one as turbo Basic 400 (maybe the same as Frost Basic?) and a third one as turbo Basic 3.2q (written for Sparta DOS by Tom Hunt). So, try one of these if you need a TB that does not use RAM under ROM area. Well, afaik there are no patches/updates for the TB Runtime or TB Compiler available - both use RAM under OS ROM... But I try to avoid these two programs if I can... -Andreas.
Mirko Sobe schrieb:
> I've tried FROST-BASIC, but I didn't work with MyIDE. RUNTIME.COM does also > not work... > But like I sad, I re-discovered ATARI-BASIC. Last few days, I downloaded > many old ATARI-BASIC programs from old magazines from this adress: > > Here you can find many programs, witch are 100% compatible with MyIDE.
> Mirko
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> "Winston Smith" <winston.sm@pinkrose.dhis.org.remove-nnn-this> schrieb im > Newsbeitrag ... > > To: "Mirko Sobe" <atari@12move.de> > > Re: Let's talk about the MyIDE Interface... > > By: "Mirko Sobe" <atari@12move.de> to comp.sys.atari.8bit on Tue Oct > 29 2002 02:44 pm
> > > I bought it at the JHV (gtx2all) and I like it. Bad, it want not work > with > > > Turbo-BASIC aslong I have to load the drivers from disk. Now I > rediscovered > > > ATARI-BASIC, witch works best with it (like all 48k software).
> > You could try FrOst BASIC.... That was the BASIC that was the BASIC > Frank > > O. wrote before he wrote TURBO BASIC. FrOst B.A.S.I.C. doesn't use the > RAM > > space under the OS, as it was designed for the 800/400 series and not the > XL/XE > > series. While it doesn't do as much as TURBO BASIC, it is -- in its own > right > > -- a *VERY* nice BASIC, all by itself. > > --- Synchronet 3.10j-Linux NewsLink 1.35 > > * Planet Maca's Opus - Winsted, Ct - 860-738-7176 > telnet://pinkrose.dhis.org
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Mirko Sobe
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Nov 1 2002, 5:54 am
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From: "Mirko Sobe" <atari@12move.de> -
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:54:11 +0100
Local: Fri, Nov 1 2002 5:54 am
Subject: Re: Let's talk about the MyIDE Interface...
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Isn't it possible to rewrite MyDOS, so it can handel the Harddisk (like Turbo-DOS handels Floppy-Speeders)?
Mirko
"Marius Diepenhorst" <grove@zonnet.nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag ...
> Yes,
> But with a built-in OS that space is free and MyIDE will be much more > compatible. I'm thinking of making a gameDOS (just like MicroSpartaDOS from > BEWE) to use with the MyIDE.
> The nice part of this GameDOS I'm thinking of: it won't need another OS, so > the compatiblity will be much better. The idea is simple: the gameDOS It > has a load-only routine in it, which uses the MyIDE patch routines for that. > The package will come with a transfer utility to transfer files from any > spartados OR MyDOS disk to the special GAME partition. This will be very > nice I guess; the gameDOS will have a VERY LOW memlo, and the space under OS > will be free too.
> Just ideas. But... I think it wil do.
> Marius
> "Fox-1" <MailMe@f@home.nl> schreef in bericht > ...
> > "Mirko Sobe" wrote
> > > I bought it at the JHV (gtx2all) and I like it. Bad, it want not work > with > > > Turbo-BASIC aslong I have to load the drivers from disk. Now I > rediscovered > > > ATARI-BASIC, witch works best with it (like all 48k software).
> > > Who has bought this interface?
> > > What do you think about the handling?
> > The "MyIDE" requires an O.S. loaded in RAM, which is located under the > o.s. ROM. This is the reason TurboBASIC doesn't run, since > > it also takes up that memory area. The reason I didn't buy one is that > I'm a Sparta-DOS only user, and Sparta also uses that > > memory-area, so will also not run with the "MyIDE" interface. (This is > also the reason I can't run BOSS-XE on my system...)
> > From what I've heard and read about the interface it sounds if it is a > good project for those who don't use one of the above > > programs (and probably some others, like Basic-XE?), but can't say much > more about it since I don't have one myself...
> > --
> > Grtx, Sysop Fox-1 / MNX
> > Remember what the Dormouse said...
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Marius Diepenhorst
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Nov 1 2002, 6:39 am
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From: "Marius Diepenhorst" <grove@zonnet.nl> -
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:39:07 +0100
Local: Fri, Nov 1 2002 6:39 am
Subject: Re: Let's talk about the MyIDE Interface...
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You mean WITHOUT having the software OS?
I have been thinking of that too. As you could read I'm working on a special gamedos first.
It must be possible to write a special DOS for the MyIDE interface (or edit an existing dos) But it will never be 100% compatible because some people wrote software with illegal vector jumping etc.
Btw. The drive routines are not really complicated BUT they take space. If you put these routines in a DOS the compatibility of this dosk will be less. So I prefer writing a new DOS specially for MyIDE.
Marius.
"Mirko Sobe" <atari@12move.de> schreef in bericht ...
> Isn't it possible to rewrite MyDOS, so it can handel the Harddisk (like > Turbo-DOS handels Floppy-Speeders)?
> Mirko
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> "Marius Diepenhorst" <grove@zonnet.nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > ... > > Yes,
> > But with a built-in OS that space is free and MyIDE will be much more > > compatible. I'm thinking of making a gameDOS (just like MicroSpartaDOS > from > > BEWE) to use with the MyIDE.
> > The nice part of this GameDOS I'm thinking of: it won't need another OS, > so > > the compatiblity will be much better. The idea is simple: the gameDOS It > > has a load-only routine in it, which uses the MyIDE patch routines for > that. > > The package will come with a transfer utility to transfer files from any > > spartados OR MyDOS disk to the special GAME partition. This will be very > > nice I guess; the gameDOS will have a VERY LOW memlo, and the space under > OS > > will be free too.
> > Just ideas. But... I think it wil do.
> > Marius
> > "Fox-1" <MailMe@f@home.nl> schreef in bericht > > ...
> > > "Mirko Sobe" wrote
> > > > I bought it at the JHV (gtx2all) and I like it. Bad, it want not work > > with > > > > Turbo-BASIC aslong I have to load the drivers from disk. Now I > > rediscovered > > > > ATARI-BASIC, witch works best with it (like all 48k software).
> > > > Who has bought this interface?
> > > > What do you think about the handling?
> > > The "MyIDE" requires an O.S. loaded in RAM, which is located under the > > o.s. ROM. This is the reason TurboBASIC doesn't run, since > > > it also takes up that memory area. The reason I didn't buy one is that > > I'm a Sparta-DOS only user, and Sparta also uses that > > > memory-area, so will also not run with the "MyIDE" interface. (This is > > also the reason I can't run BOSS-XE on my system...)
> > > From what I've heard and read about the interface it sounds if it is a > > good project for those who don't use one of the above > > > programs (and probably some others, like Basic-XE?), but can't say much > > more about it since I don't have one myself...
> > > --
> > > Grtx, Sysop Fox-1 / MNX
> > > Remember what the Dormouse said...
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Marius Diepenhorst
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Nov 1 2002, 6:52 am
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From: "Marius Diepenhorst" <grove@zonnet.nl> -
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:52:57 +0100
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Subject: Re: Let's talk about the MyIDE Interface...
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Btw. it is possible to acces the harddisk without the myide OS. You can read and write drive-info and with some tweaking you can read and write other sectors too. So it must be possible to do that.
The unidrv.obj is the routine, but this routine is stored in page 6. This routine will be the heart of my GAMEDOS for MyIDE, but I'll rewrite it and re-assemble it to another location.
If you read the documentation you'll see the locations $D100 (internal) / $D500 (external) and up are used for transfer data.
I have the idea that Sijmens interface could do much much MUCH more than he thinks. (Just like the atari people didn't believe their XL could show 256 and 4096 colours etc.)
Marius
"Mirko Sobe" <atari@12move.de> schreef in bericht ...
> Isn't it possible to rewrite MyDOS, so it can handel the Harddisk (like > Turbo-DOS handels Floppy-Speeders)?
> Mirko
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> "Marius Diepenhorst" <grove@zonnet.nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > ... > > Yes,
> > But with a built-in OS that space is free and MyIDE will be much more > > compatible. I'm thinking of making a gameDOS (just like MicroSpartaDOS > from > > BEWE) to use with the MyIDE.
> > The nice part of this GameDOS I'm thinking of: it won't need another OS, > so > > the compatiblity will be much better. The idea is simple: the gameDOS It > > has a load-only routine in it, which uses the MyIDE patch routines for > that. > > The package will come with a transfer utility to transfer files from any > > spartados OR MyDOS disk to the special GAME partition. This will be very > > nice I guess; the gameDOS will have a VERY LOW memlo, and the space under > OS > > will be free too.
> > Just ideas. But... I think it wil do.
> > Marius
> > "Fox-1" <MailMe@f@home.nl> schreef in bericht > > ...
> > > "Mirko Sobe" wrote
> > > > I bought it at the JHV (gtx2all) and I like it. Bad, it want not work > > with > > > > Turbo-BASIC aslong I have to load the drivers from disk. Now I > > rediscovered > > > > ATARI-BASIC, witch works best with it (like all 48k software).
> > > > Who has bought this interface?
> > > > What do you think about the handling?
> > > The "MyIDE" requires an O.S. loaded in RAM, which is located under the > > o.s. ROM. This is the reason TurboBASIC doesn't run, since > > > it also takes up that memory area. The reason I didn't buy one is that > > I'm a Sparta-DOS only user, and Sparta also uses that > > > memory-area, so will also not run with the "MyIDE" interface. (This is > > also the reason I can't run BOSS-XE on my system...)
> > > From what I've heard and read about the interface it sounds if it is a > > good project for those who don't use one of the above > > > programs (and probably some others, like Basic-XE?), but can't say much > > more about it since I don't have one myself...